TESTIMONY OF DR. W.P. MCGWIRE, PAGE 3

Please help me transcribe this testimony word-for-word:

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— so — as to — in your opinion that — — — her clothes.

—. It did.

Dr. — was present at that examination. — in case of this — I think the patient might be ignorant of her condition — to 16 or 17 years of age. — say after that.

X Ex.

She was — by my — to her. She did not cry but was — as I — by her —. I did not attend her after that.

I never attended the Payne family regularly, but aid  so off & on for probably 10 years very often in — with Dr. —

I have never seen any thing affecting Miss. Selia Payne —. I saw — frequently. 

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3 Comments

  1. Sandy Mesics

    xxxx so predominated as to make it advisable xxx xxxxx xxxxx that she should change her clothes

    Ans: It did.

    Dr. Swok? was present at that examination. In a case of this kind I think the patient might be ignorant of his condition xxx to 16 or 17 years of age. Can’t say after that.

    X Ex:
    She was xxxx by my xxxxx to her. She did not cry, but was disturbed as I judged by her expressions. I did not attend her after that.

    I never attended the Payne family regularly but did so off and on for probably 10 years very often in consultation with Dr. Swok??

    I have never seen anyting affecting Mrs. Selia xxxxx I saw her frequently

  2. Patty Panek

    [xxx] so predominated as to make it advisable in your opinion that she should change her clothes.
    Ans. It did.

    Dr. S[urok?] was present at that examination. In a case of this kind I think the patient might be ignorant of her condition up to 16 or 17 years of age. Can’t say after that

    X Ex.
    She was distressed by my [disclosures?] to her. She did not cry, but was distressed as I judged by her expressions. I did not attend her after that.
    =
    I never attended the Payne family regularly, but did so off & on for probably 10 years very often in conjunction with Dr. S[urok?]
    =
    I have never seen anything affecting Miss Selia Payne’s character. I saw her frequently

  3. Jan S

    Based on my knowledge of 20th and 19th century handwriting and spelling styles as taught in US schools, what follows is my “interpretation” of the three pages. I hope this helps.

    Dr. W. P. McGuire

    Have practiced medicine in[?] the Payne family a good deal for the last several months and have been their physician. Have attended Mifs [archaic spelling of Missus, current abbreviation Mrs.] Selia Payne as her physician up to eighteen months ago: that is have done so several times.

    Question
    Have you ever examined or have you ever been present at an ex [blank space here could be shortened version of examination] of Mrs. Selia Payne for the purpose of ascertaining her sexual condition.

    (Witness claimed the priviledge of exemption from answering this question. Court ruled otherwise)

    I examined Mrs. Selia Payne last March or Feby [probably short for February] a year ago. I found that in her development the masculine gender largely predominated & that the feminine characteristics were largely in the minority.

    I regard her as what is described[?] by a great many writers in this country as a case of spurious hermaphroditism of the male type. ??

    (p2) just like a hundred ?? [or more?] cases reported of spurious hermaphrydism [sic]. I regard her as more of a male than a female. She has very few female characteristics, but there are some. It is argued in Medical Science whether there is any such thing as bona fide hermaphrytidism [sic].

    I stated to Mrs. Selia Payne the result of my examination. [Crossed-out text: The result of my examination convinced me that]

    Quest. Did the result of your examination lead you to believe that Selia Payne was influenced by passions, inclinations & desires of a male or female.

    Ans. a male, but I do not know that true(?) passions exist… I spoke(?)

    So far as my anatomical

    (p.3) ?? so predominated as to make it advisable in[?] ?? that she should change her clothes.

    Ans. It did.

    Dr. Surrote[?] was present at that examination. In a case of this kind I think the patient might be ignorant of her condition up to 16 or 17 years of age. Can’t say after that

    X Ex.

    She was distressed by my ** to her. She did not cry, but was distressed as I judged by her expressions. I did not attend her after that.

    I never attended the Payne family regularly, but did so off & on for probably 10 years very often in conjunction with Dr. S???

    I have never seen any thing affecting Mrs. Selia Payne’s ??. I saw her frequently

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